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posted by [identity profile] radioreverie.livejournal.com at 03:21am on 21/07/2005
As for Lois, as I said on the Chloe thread, I just don't see a pathology in her. Does she have some not so savory characteristics? Yes. She can be a bit opportunistic, a little childishly eager to shock, and inconsiderate. But I don't see the potential in her for moral transgressions of the magnitude of Chloe's. I don't see the sense of entitlement, just a penchant for persistence and impatience (looking for or taking another way to get back into college besides attending SV high is not entitled, it's completely understandable. Why take that path if an easier one is available? I could see calling her entitled if she had called the school and said "I'm the daugher of General Sam Lane and you will MAKE room for me!"). She took advantage of the (offered, mind you) Kent family's hospitality, but we never saw her demand anything or clash with the elder Kents. And she worked for Martha, and all of the major complaints about her from Clark, who isn't exactly a reliable narrator (for example, who's to say that the whole "changing the answering machine" thing wasn't done with the full permission and cooperation of the elder Kents? It's logical that she'd want to add her name to the message in case she received any calls, and we don't know that say, Martha, wasn't standing next to her changing the message along with her. Clark isn't reliable in telling this story because it seems to me that her mere presence was annoying him as such that any change made to the household because of her, whether reasonable or not, were violations upon his territory. In that way, he's like the older sibling dealing with a new addition to the family). She's also loyally protective and fiercely tough. I can't see her ever falling prey to Lionel's schemes or reacting vilely out of jealousy, nor making huge emotional and irrational demands of others. Taking the last hot shower? Totally her. Going to Lionel Luthor out of revenge? Not in a million years. I can also see how even her more negative qualities will serve her well when she becomes a reporter (speaking of which, I find her significantly more moral and believably tough and intelligent than the Lois of Lois & Clark, who I find largely reprehensible. But that's another post for another time).

But anyway, I usually enjoy reading your posts on both TWoP and your LJ. I always endeavor to keep my own posts about the topic at hand and refrain from implying or stating that people with differing opinions are in any way of lesser intelligence (or sanity). So if we can both agree to do that from now on, I look forward to many more intelligent debates with you.
posted by [identity profile] massena1.livejournal.com at 04:35pm on 21/07/2005
radioreverie - I'm glad we cleared the air. And, I'm not up to another debate about Chloe. Maybe another time. I have to be in the right mood to debate. I usually just like to say my piece and let other people make of it what they will.

And as for Lois, everytime I talk about her, I get depressed and frustrated. Afterwards, I almost always need to vent off some stream. Mostly, it's because I have certain expectations for female heroines now and I admire certain traits in female characters that I feel are very empowering, not just for girls, but for grown women as well. And in my mind, that's Chloe so I don't mind bringing up her good points and I enjoy talking about her b/c I find her fascinating whereas, I dislike talking about Lois. I find her a caricature of what a strong woman should be. I try not to visit the Lois thread b/c thinking about her just gets me riled up. Anyway, obviously you see things differently, but I'm generally not into talking about Lois. I simply don't enjoy it so I hope you don't mind if I don't get into a big discussion about her with you.

BTW, I noticed that there was some very heated discussion on the all seasons thread so it's going around, I think.
posted by [identity profile] warden96.livejournal.com at 05:44am on 30/07/2005
I would like to be added as well, warden96.
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posted by [identity profile] radioreverie.livejournal.com at 05:46am on 30/07/2005
Your wish, my command.


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